tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2912576428113148491.post6275565338427346700..comments2023-09-05T05:17:47.798-05:00Comments on Boxer Rebellion: If you were gay...joshhill1021http://www.blogger.com/profile/00262725763812594725noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2912576428113148491.post-65184494481270517372007-11-26T05:18:00.000-06:002007-11-26T05:18:00.000-06:00Have you been to Israel? If you are in Tel Aviv, y...Have you been to Israel? If you are in Tel Aviv, you might as well be in Miami or LA. There is a huge party scene and it is very secular, lots of tall buildings, a beach, business and so forth.<BR/><BR/>One short hour away, Jerusalem. There is some gay life there, but the more Orthodox create a very different environment.<BR/><BR/>For the record, I hope I did not sound strident or that I intended to imply that you singled out any religion.<BR/><BR/>The wingnut types have created an environment of hate around many issues, and this is one of the big ones, so Christianity in that context must be called out for its (paging Ted Haggard! paging Larry Craig! Etc!) bullsh*t!<BR/><BR/>Peace brother!Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2912576428113148491.post-5921581015027479482007-11-25T19:22:00.000-06:002007-11-25T19:22:00.000-06:00Fran- I have seen Trembling before God or at least...Fran- I have seen Trembling before God or at least part of it, I think I saw the whole thing, but I don't remember, so thanks for the reminder so that I can put it on my queue and see it again. It was an interesting and really good film. I am aware that there are strong anti-gay strains within Judaism, but as you noted here in America we hear about it mostly from Christians. But I do hear that in Israel you hear a lot of anti-gay rhetoric out of the right wing Jewish set, so I shouldn't have singled out any specific religion.joshhill1021https://www.blogger.com/profile/00262725763812594725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2912576428113148491.post-63494024708786763112007-11-25T16:58:00.000-06:002007-11-25T16:58:00.000-06:00I could not agree more- who cares who does what wi...I could not agree more- who cares who does what with whom, as long as all are consenting adults? <BR/><BR/>In general, I find that those who shout the loudest are trying to deflect and often have something to hide. This brings us to your point about hypocrisy. That is the key.<BR/><BR/>It is human nature to want to project any darkness or perceived ill or evil out, rather than to embrace or integrate it.<BR/><BR/>Which, if many Christians paid any sort of attention and if they had good leaders, would notice is what Jesus was saying, pretty much all of the time. <BR/><BR/>Because there are so many Christians, for good or ill, it is clear how often gay folks or any sexual matter, becomes the target of their ire.<BR/><BR/>In general, many Jews are more comfortable with gay life. However, I would in the name of a broad view, point you to a film that you may or may not be familiar with.<BR/><BR/>It is called <A HREF="http://www.filmsthatchangetheworld.com/site/" REL="nofollow">Trembling Before G-d</A> and it is about gay orthodox Jews. It is moving and fascinating. I saw it 5 years ago and the director- a gay man who is from an Orthodox background himself, had a Q&A afterward. It was great. <BR/><BR/>I only bring this up as homoesexuality is reviled in many religions, Islam included. <BR/><BR/>Now I have read, I can't verify this, that many Native American cultures made allowances for gays in their communities. I have always meant to look into that more, but have not.<BR/><BR/>Great first post, writing good or not, and great follow up.<BR/><BR/>You are a thoughtful and good man Boxer.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.com